What is wrong with Italians?

topic posted Thu, August 12, 2004 - 3:31 PM by  Rick
Can anybody explain to me why;
1) Italians fail to unite as a people?
2) Cannot seem to show patriotism?
3) Cannot seem to grow up and realize there is more to life than soccer and pasta?
4) Show more loyalty to their political party then to the country?

I am Italian and I cannot stand seeing/hearing some of the stuff out there....
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Rick
Canada
  • Re: What is wrong with Italians?

    Fri, August 13, 2004 - 6:30 AM
    They sound a lot like Americans, based on your questions!

    With respect to #3, it's not soccer and pasta, but it does seem to be reality shows and carb-counting.

    What are you seeing and hearing that makes you say that though?

    MT
    • Re: What is wrong with Italians?

      Fri, August 13, 2004 - 10:15 AM
      Carb-counting seems to be everywhere.... It is extremely annoying.

      Anyway, I find Americans way more united as a people and way more patriotic than most Italians on the whole....

      Rick
      • Re: What is wrong with Italians?

        Fri, August 13, 2004 - 1:49 PM
        That could be. Consider though that until the 1800s when Garibaldi "united" Italy, all the regions were really separate countries. Italy is a recent invention, and people from different parts of the country have major difficulty understanding each other. Venetians barely understand Romans, who have trouble with Sicilians, apparently.

        Also, they probably have a hard time getting behind their government and "the system" in general, since the Euro was introduced. Life has become much more expensive for Italians, and younger Italians can only find jobs a contractors because of the way the labor system is set up. I don't know the details but an Italian explained it to me once.

        Al
        • Re: What is wrong with Italians?

          Mon, August 16, 2004 - 7:27 AM
          Well, I am Italian and I can tell you that all those reasons are a bunch of crap.

          Italy was more like separate states rather than different countries, so that is out of the window..... Italians have to get over themselves and start putting others first. 140 years is enough generations to get over the fact that I am from Lombardy and another guy is from Napoli. We are both Italians first. But that is just me....

          As for Italian youth getting jobs....the reason is that many are spoilt. The system is not perfect, but with a little adventure and some risk, many would get incredible jobs. Instead, they prefer to live at home and take safe/comfortable positions.

          Those are my politically incorrect views and opijions though Al.
          ;-)

          Rick
          • Re: What is wrong with Italians?

            Mon, August 16, 2004 - 10:17 PM
            If Italians have been fractious since the Middle Ages or earlier than that, would you expect change?

            Italians live at home because that's all they can afford, I am told...

            But I do have an italian buddy whom I've met out here... one of the adventurous ones.

            MT
            • Re: What is wrong with Italians?

              Tue, August 17, 2004 - 7:56 AM
              Well, one would expect that with time and "evolution", even Italians woudl get the message that we are no longer in teh dark ages but in the new millenium where it literally takes about 10-15 hours to go from the South of Italy to the North. Computers, TV's, Radio, Internet, etc... made the world smaller and more united, ( See United Europe ).

              Italians can afford to move out, but why do that??? Who is going to make dinner, lunch, the laundry, etc....? That is the real reason.

              Anybody that says any different is full of crapola. ;-)

              Rick
              • Re: What is wrong with Italians?

                Tue, August 17, 2004 - 9:41 AM
                Dude. Europe was where the Dark Ages were INVENTED!

                Um, never mind the fact that Italy is where the Renaissance was invented... woops!

                Neuropeans have many odd characteristics not fully grasped nor understood by us Americanos.
                • Re: What is wrong with Italians?

                  Sun, September 12, 2004 - 11:21 AM
                  Okay so we are talking about the old world right?

                  1) Italians fail to unite as a people?
                  Many reasons, mainly socio-economic. The good ole split between the more Germanic/calm and monetarily wired folks in the North and the swarthy, energetic and creative bambinis of the South goes on and on. You have men who are socialist but don't want abortion, women who are Catholic but want freewheel birth control-communists, facists...it's all considered very cool because everyone seems to be doing their own thing...which makes for a lazy army!

                  2) Cannot seem to show patriotism?
                  They do, just not to the government and not to the Vatican...and rightly so. Both entities are antiquated and responsible for idiocy, like stupid divorce laws and colonialism in Africa... so Italians celebrate local politicians, celebrites and the farmers. It's patriotism on a smaller scale. The soccer stuff is out of control in most of Europe-people like to be in packs, what can I say?

                  3) Cannot seem to grow up and realize there is more to life than soccer and pasta?
                  Well, we are lazy and it's a problem. My brother, who writes for Rough Guide , put it this way after falling asleep in an Italian post office full of friendly people.:

                  "...the air in the Roman office was was heavy and still, smelling of paper and ink...the chair was actually quite comfortable...the clock in the office was broken, but that didn't really matter much. Time seemed irrelevant in that room, I became mildly interested in a game of chess...in the Italian post office near the Spanish Steps , there was no hurry at all, and I don't know that there ever will be..."

                  There you go. We drink a lot of coffee and we still layabout and do nothing.

                  4) Show more loyalty to their political party then to the country?
                  Hmmm. If the politcal party hapens to be local then that makes sense because you can control it or at least see what's going on. I would have a hard time being loyal to some of those German clusters in the North, it's just too Weimar Republic for me...
  • Re: What is wrong with Italians?

    Sat, February 5, 2005 - 4:50 AM
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  • Re: What is wrong with Italians?

    Fri, September 23, 2005 - 5:51 AM
    Leonardo sono D'accordo con te.
    Io sono SABINA from Italy, Bologna.

    Rick TU NON SAI NIENTE DEGLI ITALIANI. Da quello che scrivi si vede chiaramente che non conosci l'Italia. Quindi evita di dire delle CAZZATE. Prima vieni qui, in Italia, fermati e osserva, poi parla. Non dire cazzate da lì, lì non sei in Italia e non vedi qual è la realtà.
    Come io non mi permetto di giudicare gli americani perchè non ho mai vissuto negli USA, tu evita di parlare di quello che non conosci.
    Sabina
    • Re: What is wrong with Italians?

      Tue, October 4, 2005 - 1:16 PM
      well rick, with all respect let me tell you that you are saying a bunch of crap. first of all i don't know how you can make a generalization of 56 milion of italians, then what do you really know about italians? have you ever been here? have you ever talked to one of us personally? i'm italian and i can assure you that i don't give a damn about football, reality shows and so on... and i think there is a lot of people like me... your affirmations are foolish, like the ones who say that the germans always drink beer, the spanishs always eat paella, the albanians are criminals... can't you see the stupidity in this kind of affirmations?
      • Re: What is wrong with Italians?

        Tue, October 11, 2005 - 6:57 AM
        Allora....

        Prima di tutto, io sono Italiano. Continuo in Inglese per tutti gli altri che non capiscono l'Italiano.

        I was born and raised in Italy (Mantova ), however, I have had the added bonus of also living in the rest of the world including the Middle East, Africa and Singapore. I view the world with not only a Western eye, but with an international aspect. From what I have seen, Italians are only somewhat patriotic when outside Italy. In Italy, many things are taken for granted and every time I come back to Italy, I notice that a little bit more of the Italian culture has been eroded by an outside influence. This is happening more and more.
        Obviously there are exceptions to the rules, like not all Italians like football, or pasta, ( not that I am saying that is bad since I am also one of those ).
        I now live in Canada, not the US. A quick look at my profile will explain all.
        I still maintain that Italians are one of the least patriotic of all European nations and I also maintain that Italians vote out of loyalty rather than what is best for the country.
        These are my opinions to which I am entitled. I do believe that is my right. I am more than willing to discuss these opinions with any of you, but I would rather leave the insults out of it. I do not deny that I might be wrong ( heck...I hope so ) but unless someone shows me otherwise, I am inclined to think that I am right.
        Having said all of this, let me assure everyone that with all it's problems, I would never give up my Italian citizenship and I will never stop loving Italy. So much so, that I will always compare Italy to better countries than to worse ones so that people can see how to improve rather than settle for second best.

        Riccardo
        • Re: What is wrong with Italians?

          Tue, October 11, 2005 - 12:52 PM
          Culture is being eroded everywhere, I assert, not just Italy. I would attribute it to market economy forces and accessibility of information and entertainment via media. Your thoughts, Rick?

          I'm curious your thoughts on patriotism. This warrants a separate thread on a different tribe, such as Politics, but anyway... Is patriotism a good thing? And if so, why?

          My own sense is that patriotism is useful when another nation is trying to wipe you out, but that's about it. Otherwise, like nationalism, it creates an "us vs. them" paradigm which is counterproductive in light of the many issues threatening our society and planet today.
          • Re: What is wrong with Italians?

            Fri, October 14, 2005 - 5:06 AM
            Hi medicine man.

            Well, you are right that patriotism is useful when another nation is trying to wipe you out, but it is also useful when the economy is down or also in everyday things is sport. An athlete that is patriotic will always try harder and always have more heart compared to one that is doing it for fame and money. Patriotism can be a driving force in a society.
            The us vs them is only created if a society is ignorant and most Italians are not as they are well educated and interested in other cultures. However and us vs them is always good as it promotes a healthy competition if not tainted with ignorance.
            Unfortunately, the media is never truthful and they report only what sells papers/ratings.

            Ciao for now

            Riccardo
            • Re: What is wrong with Italians?

              Tue, October 18, 2005 - 2:25 PM
              I think competition is useful in sports and games, but that's about it.

              A careful look at the world will show that the "more is better" philosophy, especially as regards money and natural resources, is has brought place to ruin.

              The world ain't providing any more of that which we're taking -- oil, gas, trees, topsoil, etc, at anywhere near the rate we're sucking them up. Pretty soon it's gonna be gone and we're all left fighting for what's left. The time is now for nations to get off the fucking hamster wheel and cooperate and consume less, not that such an idea would help anyone get re-elected. The snowball's headed down the hill though.

              Cultures are important because they carry our history, but nations are becoming a strain on resources and will eventually do us in.
          • Re: What is wrong with Italians?

            Fri, October 14, 2005 - 5:08 AM
            Oh yeah....
            About culture, you are right. I thought I might focus on Italy though since this is a thread on Italy, but you are right.

            Sad that culture is eroded because it will create a grey world where everyone is relativly similar rather than have a colourful, vibrant and distinct culture in every nation/continent.

            It would be sad to Westernize/Easternize/amalgamate everything.
            • Re: What is wrong with Italians?

              Wed, March 29, 2006 - 12:37 AM
              Well Im Italian and sometimes i feel that i gotta put up with a load of bullshit said by italiani. I am proud of my origins but thers always a bunch of others which is not, seems to me that we have something really funny going on in Italy, and trust me, its only in Italy. Like peoples ideas, the things u say, the way u dress, attitude or else, if you wear leather pants or rags..., u can always be related to some political identity, the L or R party, I wanna say to these people, sincerely, from my heart man, gooooo fuckyerself !!! I do not want ta be related anyway anyhow to someone else's ideas or opinions (this is a regime), except mine, i am (and have) myself, which is a lot more important and i put faith in MY OWN ideas about the system, nt like a bunch of stupid fuckin' kids that think what they heard is just cool and they believe and support but they dont understand not even the meaning of it. Hhhe...it's cool to hate, it's not cool to hate when u're just empty. problem with young generations (in Italy at least), is that they do never see 'shades', no in between colors, just black or white, its probably what s turnin a lot of people into a herd of sheep, so for instance, we got some goddamn wordds which are getting to be a that side or the other words, like 'patria', 'ordine', or 'rivoluzione'...pretty stoopid, or 'onore' which is only a 'mafia thing' or a fascist term. I know out there tons of people wont agree with me, I dont even expext this, or either want this. You see, nothing has ever changed, but fortunatly the class many italians have has always remained intact throughout the centuries. Even though many things don't work in this damn country, even though we always smell the shit of our burocracy, got to put up with wizards and politicians jive, we are a bunch of thieves, thats right, I acan still see the good things, and basically italians won't ever change, yeah
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    Re: What is wrong with Italians?

    Fri, April 7, 2006 - 5:57 PM
    What is wrong with Italians?
    nothing bitch
    whats wrong with you?
    lol
    • Re: What is wrong with Italians?

      Tue, April 18, 2006 - 4:23 AM
      I'm a fucked up, that 's all...
      • Re: What is wrong with Italians?

        Wed, April 19, 2006 - 2:28 AM
        You know, I really think that there ain't no problems, I think every populatuion in the world is different and has something of its own, even bad things of course, so what suckers? I love all this IM italian, even the bad things like the fuckin' political stuff or fuckin' stoopid people, like a lot of them are as I just said before. Now if anybody else thinks in a different way I don't care Im happy about it, thats cool I don't think it's inapropriate. I always wanna think different and fortunatly I always end up being my fuckin' self. Now, please respect Italians, always.
  • Re: What is wrong with Italians?

    Thu, November 2, 2006 - 11:05 AM
    Rick, you say u r italian and ask why italians cannot seem to show patriotism? Even you seem to show no patriotism since your questions are very acid remarks to Italy and Italians!
    Ask yourself, darling.
  • Re: An Example

    Mon, January 15, 2007 - 8:20 PM
    There was a movement in Italy called "irredentists" that was very patriotic. I personally admire author, poet, soldier, statesman Gabriele D'Annunzio who, had he, and not Mussolini, marched on Rome, I feel would've been Italy's "Teddy Roosevelt". He had some ideas that one can reflect on, 1)be proud of one's ethnic heritage, 2) "life is beautiful"(he said that, not that Italian director who jumped over the seats at an academy award event) and to live it to the fullest, 3) Never let anyone insinuate one's ethnic background is "guttery".

    He was a great and throughout his life(writing 100 years ago) controversial individual on the dawn of the 20th Century. Popes banned his books as "obscene"...ALL of them. His "unique" personal life and romances was famous, and although stupid with money he was brilliant as an idealist, writer/innovator. And despite what some historians say, he was not a fascist and not part of the Fascist Regime. His birth place, tomb and final...and quite unique .....estate, are national historic treasures in Italy and a postage stamp in the 1970's was made in his honor.
  • Re: What is wrong with Italians?

    Thu, January 25, 2007 - 4:40 AM
    1) Italians fail to unite as a people?
    They don't realaly fail... it's just a difficult process. There are many reasons... historical (different countries since not much time ago), I would say geographical... Milan->Paris or Vienna or Munic is much easier than going to calabria or sicily...
    And...
    you know, you are talking about a country that had fascists, communists (the second bigger party in EU)... we even had internal terrorism.. and there's also the church. It's a complex party.
    Plus Italy has always been an open country...

    2) Cannot seem to show patriotism?
    Because we are wise

    3) Cannot seem to grow up and realize there is more to life than soccer and pasta?
    That's crap. You can say that with some stereotypes for all countries...

    4) Show more loyalty to their political party then to the country?
    That's a problem..

    I am Italian and I cannot stand seeing/hearing some of the stuff out there....
    Italiano, di dove ? :)

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